Your Subaru, Snow Tires and Chains Explained
January 11th, 2008 by Justin Stobb | 92 responses
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Your Subaru is the best choice you can make when it comes to “what to drive in the snow”. All-Wheel Drive is a superior method of traction and there is no better example of this than driving the Subie up the pass to go skiing or snow boarding. We get a lot of questions about tires and chains so I thought I would provide some tips.
The best scenario in my opinion is a set of stud less snow/ice tires followed up with a set of tire chains in the cargo area as a backup. The next best choice is just a good set of all season radial tires with the tire chain back up. I don’t like studded snow tires on the Subaru very much as the aggressive nature of the studded tire has the potential to damage the All-Wheel Drive system and why take that chance if there are other choices out there. Next the studded tires are never as good the second and third season while the stud less tire seems to hold up very well. Lastly the studded tire takes a toll on the roads.
A good set of chains may never have to come out of the box in your Subaru but sometimes you may be required to have them by the Department of transportation. And is a great, cheap piece of mind to have in the back of the car. If you have never put chains on before try them out before you head off on your ski trip. Or at least verify three times that they are the right size. And than once more for good measure
Always carry a tire pressure gauge in your Subaru. The first thing you want to consider is that deflating the tire a couple of pounds in each tire can help out with traction. The less air the tire has in it the greater the road resistance is thus increasing traction, so if you normally keep the tires inflated to 32 cold PSI (pounds per square inch) try deflating them to 28 PSI. Just remember to re inflate them after the trip is over or you may be wondering why your fuel economy is lower than normal.
We have a lot of snow on the slopes this year and a good time should be had by all.
Just remember to be safe when driving and keep your Subaru in tip top shape and it will take you too and more importantly back from the slopes this year.
Justin
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February 1st, 2008 at 1:45 am
This may sound strange, but do you need chains/cables for all 4 wheels? I never thought about it before with my subaru forrester, but heading to snow this weekend.
thanks
February 1st, 2008 at 3:08 am
Heather,
Really It all depends on how its going to be driven. Most likely you won’t need chains at all but if you do here is what to keep in mind. At slower speeds having chains only on the front should be ok but as the speeds increase it is really a better idea to have all 4 chained or none at all. I usually suggest a set for the front and keep the speeds down if you have to put them on.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:08 pm
Okay. great. Thanks so much.
September 28th, 2008 at 7:32 am
i just bought a 2009 Forester and was told to NEVER put chains on just two wheels - regardless whether the front two or the back two… if you absolutely need to chain up all four tires must have chains or it will damage the 4 wheel drive system…
September 28th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
To be clear, you SHOULD chain up all 4 tires. Or none at all, my preference is stud less snow tires and no chains.
But in a emergency, chaining up the front tires, keeping the speeds slow and not allowing the tires to slip will not damage the All Wheel Drive.
I am not suggesting to drive it at speeds over 15 mph or for any extended period of time.
If you have to stop and chain up with an All Wheel Drive Subaru, you had better be taking it slow.
The only way the All Wheel Drive System will become damaged is if there is wheel slippage allowed to occur, or one or more wheels are allowed to spin at a higher rate of speed than the others.
Lastly if you look at the amount of wheel well clearance you will see there really isn’t a lot of clearance in the front at all and chains are a means of last resort.
November 12th, 2008 at 6:04 am
I just checked my 2009 Forester owners manual and it says chains cannot be used on P215/65R16 and P225/55R17 tires (which it came with) because there isn’t enough clearance. Are they for real? Who designs an SUV that can’t use chains? I may never need them but I want them in case I get stuck or am required to have them. This is stupid! I’m going to give the dealer hell about it for not mentioning it. This is the NW for Pete’s sake and people go the mountains.
December 14th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
You just stated “The only way the All Wheel Drive System will become damaged is if there is wheel slippage allowed to occur”. So, studs are not going to damage it? You have contradicted yourself. Please explain.
December 16th, 2008 at 5:35 am
Hey Aaron,
This is exactly what I have written
“The only way the All Wheel Drive System will become damaged is if there is wheel slippage allowed to occur, or one or more wheels are allowed to spin at a higher rate of speed than the others.”
I am explaining what wheel slippage is, wheel slippage one spinning faster than the next will damage the AWD system.
Studded snow tires have the potential to damage the AWD system as well do to their aggressive nature. Which is a big reason stud less tires have become so popular
What I was pointing out to the owner of the 09 forester was even if they chained up two wheels instead of 4 the only way they would damage their AWD system was to let the unchained wheels slip.
It was specific advice based on my experience with Subaru’s and their question about them.
How have I contradicted myself? Every situation or question is a bit different so advice about a particular situation will differ a little as well. Stating my opinion about what I like to use as traction enhancements then answering someone’s question with an explanation about their particular unique situation is far from contradictory.
With studded snow tires and varying road conditions especially axle to axle you can create issues with the AWD system if a studded tire is spinning on ice and then catches abruptly on dry pavement much more so than a set of stud less tires or all season tires will create. You can try it for yourself if you would like, buy a set of each tires mount them on wheels, go find a good stretch of road particularly going uphill such as a mountain pass with snow and ice. Early in my career I worked for Bridgestone/Firestone and was able to demo the difference in each type of traction device.
Having made a lot of repairs to the AWD systems in a Subaru, when they break mechanically it is almost always from one tire spinning faster or slower than the others.
I do my best to fit in everyone’s questions in addition to running a busy shop, and when I do, it is to help that questioner out with their question and if another reader has a similar situation maybe their answer lies in a previously answered question as well.
If you read every question and answer in this website you may find I have answered other questions with a degree of difference and that is because every question has behind it a specific piece of information yearned and that is what I try to address for free, at night after my family has gone to bed, after 12 hours of work at the shop, so that people such as your self can call me out as contradictory without spending an extra minute reading the question and answer. Maybe the next time state you don’t understand and ask for my position and I will happily respond as I can, instead of implying you know more than I by telling me have I contradicted myself, it just comes off rude.
Justin
December 16th, 2008 at 8:51 pm
Scott - I just noticed the same thing in the owners manual. However, my dealer told me at the time of the sale that I ~could~ put chains on my 2009 Forrester.
December 17th, 2008 at 3:14 am
I have an 05 sti and upgraded my tires to 245-40-17 and was wondering if I can still use snow chains/cables? Has anybody run into this dilema before? Will I run into a clearence issue?
Thanks.
December 17th, 2008 at 3:18 am
Also, my owners manual says to only use chains on the front wheels, but I would think that it being awd you should chain all 4 wheels, right?
December 17th, 2008 at 6:48 am
Thank you Justin, for sharing your expertise on winter tires! I’m getting my Mother a Subaru 2006 xt limited tomorrow. it needs tires and I want to get the best winter tires for safety. I was strongly biased towards studded tires, but your info on potential AWD damage will steer me away from them. She lives near Spokane, where snow and ice are common. How big a gap - as far as safely increase- is there between studless snow tires and getting all season tires with them siped?
Thank you again for sharing your knowledge. Regards, Steven
December 18th, 2008 at 5:18 am
Orlando,
Sorry it took a bit to reply, crazy busy at the shop and snow on the ground.
I wouldn’t chain up the STI,if you need more traction buy a set of stud less snow tires. I know thats an expensive way to go but it is the best advice I have. Chains may rub especially on the rear and cause all sorts of problems.
Justin
December 18th, 2008 at 5:27 am
Steven,
Sorry to take so long to respond. So in the early 90’s when Bridgestone came out with the Blizzak tire I was able to demo the tires on ice up against studded tires. Studless tires are great on ice and are really the best way to go with AWD. The studless tires will grip ice better than a siped all season due to the compound of the rubber, but as a result they wont last long driven on dry pavement, so its important to treat studless tires as a winter season only tire.
All season should be ok but if you want the safest set up go with Studless.
Justin
December 18th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
Just found your website. I bought my first Subaru last spring–’05 outback xt limited. My husband doesn’t quite trust it’s ability to handle snow and ice with regular tires–what can I tell him to reassure him that we can get out and about if we are careful?
Thanks for all the good info.
Linda
December 18th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
Hey Linda,
I am guessing you are in the great N.W.
Obviously you want to proceed with caution even though the Subaru will really get around well even with all season tires, but you can also deflate the tires a bit as well, say down to 28psi in each tire this can really increase traction, just remember to inflate the tires back to specs after the weather passes.
Justin
December 19th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
Hi Justin,
I’m so glad to have found this forum at a dealership, no less; I’ve been searching for this information everywhere! I have a 2005 Subaru Outback 2.5i and will be taking her on an 800+ mile roadtrip for the holidays this week. Would you recommend that we upgrade to winter tires (studless) or simply throw some chains in the trunk? We currently have all-season tires, but time is definitely a factor as we’re leaving Monday. If chains, where can we purchase a set that will fit the standard tires well?
December 19th, 2008 at 11:18 pm
Hey Erika,
Thanks for the feedback, I prefer studless snow tires on the newer Subaru’s due to the decresed tire profile. Only if you are going to be in severe weather conditions.
As far as chains go Tire stores usuually have a “return them if you don’t use them policy”
Justin
December 20th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
Hi Justin-
I have an ‘05 Saab 9.2x- which is really a Subaru Impreza-I think. Do I assume that it has the same all-wheel-drive system as other Subaru’s? I’ve been wondering about chains with all the ice we have now. I have one set, but if you put on two sets- what is the top speed you can drive? I don’t want to damage anything, but I need better traction on the ice. I also anticipate needing to drive over 15 mph if this ice keeps up. Thanks for any input.
December 21st, 2008 at 3:11 am
Hey Nina,
Yes the Saab model you own is a Saabaru. It has the exact same drive train as the Impreza.
They key to driving with one set of chains is to remember that you have enhanced the traction on two wheel s only and the road will be the same for all 4. This is why it is important to keep the speeds down so that no damage occurs.
Speeds above 15mph with one set of chains are only okay if there isn’t a lot of wheel slippage. I am not sure that chains will clear on the back of the Saab either. There are alternatives to chaining up you can try first.
For example, I own a 1998 Subaru Outback and live in a Suburb of Seattle we are getting hammered with snow right now. We ventured out today and really only had one spot of trouble on a very steep hill with a host of spun out vehicles. Rather than chain up the front wheels I elected to deflate the tires down to 27lbs and had no more trouble.
If deflating the tires doesn’t seem to help and you don’t want to spring for studless snow tires check your owners manual for chain instructions, if all 4 are allowed then go that route, but do remember that speeds above 40mph with chains on can also be hard on the car as a general rule you should also look at the recommended speeds that the chains themselves are rated for.
Justin
December 21st, 2008 at 4:16 am
[...] Your Subaru has a superior center of gravity and a well balanced power train. It is amazing how well it will get around in the snow and ice with just normal all season radial tires, but there may be some instances where additional measures may be needed. There is an older post here about my preferences on chains and snow tires. http://allwheeldriveauto.com/your-subaru-snow-tires-and-chains-explained/#comment-1979 [...]
December 21st, 2008 at 6:54 pm
Hi Justin
This is a great site. Lots of info.
So live in Portland, OR and we are having a lot of snow and ice right now. We have a 06′ subaru legacy gt. We go up to the mt alot and have had no problem with our subi. When we had our new tires put on we asked for the best ones for the snow they also mentioned that we can’t put chains or studs on. The said the spiders would work better. What do you think about those and do you need 2 sets for front and back.
What about the ice. Does all-wheel drive make a difference.
Thank you
Jenny
December 21st, 2008 at 7:51 pm
Hey Jenny,
I am not a big fan of the spiders and I also am not sure they will clear especially in the rear.
Studless snow tires are still the best way to go, followed by deflating your all season tires a bit to increase traction.
We have the same weather here to the north of you, a lot of Subies out and about with no problems. AWD is superior to 4WD in my opinion especially in a Subaru, the balanced powertrain and low center of gravity really creates a unique driving experience in the snow and ice.
Justin
December 21st, 2008 at 9:27 pm
Thank you for being a great resource for this topic. I did an exhaustive search for this exact topic and this was among the best references I could find.
I purchased my Subaru in July of this year after moving into the Great NW from Georgia, purely for the situation which is hitting the NW right now!
December 22nd, 2008 at 4:30 am
Hi Justin,
I own an ‘02 legacy gt and was also told that chains are a no-go. Have read your posts & appreciate the info, but was wondering if you can explain why chains can’t be used on some models?…is it just a matter of clearance or are there other issues?
Thank you!
Deanna
December 22nd, 2008 at 5:21 pm
Deanna,
Chains just dont clear very well on a lot of newer cars all that well especially on the back, and driving to fast with only one set of chains on can damage the AWD sysem.
We have gone fron 14 inch wheels and tires on the origanl Legacy to 17 inch on the newest models, as Subaru has made the wheel size larger in part to increase the brake size mind you, the foot print of the tire has also become larger which creates clearence issues.
Justin
December 23rd, 2008 at 3:41 am
Can someone suggest a snow chain that will work for the 2009 Forester 2.5X Limited with 225/55R17?
I was looking at the Super Z6 chains, but I’m not sure what the clearance issue are with my car. Is it the body, the struts, etc. I’m certainly willing to buy two pairs of chains to get all wheels involved the same, but my Subaru (Beaverton, OR) dealer said absolutely NO chains on the rear let alone the front.
Is it possible to notch down to a R16 and then use chains more easily?
Thanks
December 23rd, 2008 at 6:45 pm
Hello all, and yes this site is a great resource.
I’m on a steep, unplowed hill in Seattle that’s received about a foot of snow total, and I haven’t ventured out with my 2008 Impreza (AT) for almost a week. It seems very clear that I should not under any circumstances try to use chains. I don’t know that anyone can say anything new, but as a California native with very little experience driving in snow, I’d love to hear comments from any seasons Subaru drivers about how likely it is that I’d fare well getting in & out of a hilly neighborhood of untreated roads (Madrona/Leschi, for any of you who might know the city).
So that’s my question. Any feedback or advice would be much appreciated!
Thanks much, Marea
December 24th, 2008 at 3:14 am
Hey Marea,
That area is very difficult in snow and ice even with a Subaru. If you don’t have to go out I wouldn’t. The roads should start to get better soon. The area you are in is just so hilly its hard to pick a route that is safer than the next.
Justin
December 30th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
Awesome site! I just purchased my first Subaru and it’s the 2009 2.5i Limited Outback. I could have used this car about a week ago in Portland. With all this info on traction devices, I’m ready for the next snow storm or a trip to the mountains. Thanks Justin!!
Katy
January 7th, 2009 at 2:15 am
Thank you for the work on this very informative site. I just purchased a ‘06 Outback and need a new set of tires. I’ll be moving to serious snow country next year (upstate NY) and would like to hear your comments on what all season tire is the best to go with - I’d like to try the first year without studless snow tires. I’m leaning towards the Goodyear Triple Treads. Any thoughts?
January 8th, 2009 at 6:01 am
Hey Peter,
Thanks for the feedback on our site.
I am partial to Bridgestone actually, but the Goodyear should be fine. What I worry about most with the Subaru is how long will the tire remain in production for the reasons below.
Food for thought. Because the Subaru is AWD if you get a blow out or experience an unrepairable tire you could be faced with buying all 4, do to this I usually try to suggest not going to crazy with the tire expense. Buy good tires but when faced with deciding between 80k tires and 50k tires, focus on the best traction for the money but I wouldn’t be as concerned with longevity guarantees as the likely hood of having to replace three tires that are only half worn out to match the one that is the replacement for the blow out is actually really good.
If a blow out happens fairly early in tire life and the tire is still produced you may only have to replace one.
Justin
January 8th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
Thanks Justin for the info and great site!
I just bought a 2009 forester. I live north of Seattle and drive across snoqualmie pass every weekend. In the past I have used 2wd vehicles (with chain backup) As long as the pass is open I go, but will leave a little later in the day etc., at times to let it get cleared up.
I am wondering if I really need a set of snows. I think I’ll give the forester a try with oem tires and see how it goes.
Does anyone know if oem tires qualify for not using chains (when chains required) on Wa. mountain passes?
Neil
January 10th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
Neil,
Most of the time you will get around just find with out Snow tires.
http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/winter/#options
Here is the link to Washington State’s rules in regards to tires. I think a lot of Seattle area Subaru owners don’t realize they don’t have to put chains on their Subaru unless the weather is Extreme.
Hope that helps.
Justin
January 10th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
I’m happy that I just came across this site. With the passes and surrounding areas bringing all sorts of rain, I don’t think I’ll be heading to Stevens this week. About the tire chains,I got the Shur Grip Z chains and they have plenty of clearance. I didn’t use them going up the mountain a couple weeks ago, but for the icy descent, I put them on the back. Everything I’m reading here seems to indicate ” front” only. Why? I figured (my research lead me to this)I’d have better control coming down with them on the rear. Great tip about letting air out of the tires!
January 10th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
Oh, and I have a 96 Impreza Outback, with size 185/70/14
January 13th, 2009 at 5:47 am
Hey Maggi,
The rear of your Subaru doesn’t have the clearance required between the tire and strut and the tire and the fender, if the suspension becomes compressed. The chains can do all sorts of damage. As long as the speeds are minimal it should be fine.
Most of the time chains are installed on the front as that is where the weight is, thus traction and the ability to enhance the likely hood of steering in the snow and ice.
But if you have developed a comfortable driving style with the chains on the rear so be it. Just be mindful of the potential clearance issues.
Justin
January 17th, 2009 at 3:44 am
Thanks, Justin. I do just fine with the OEM tires. I’ll carry chains for rare extreme conditions.
January 17th, 2009 at 7:21 am
I live in Alaska where studded tires are a given and chaining up is standard procedure for a couple months of the year. I’ve been chaining the front to get up and down a distance of a mile, and wondered whats better front or back? Definitely I have more control in the front coming and going. thanks. Scott
February 18th, 2009 at 1:55 am
Just wanted to add in case it hasn’t already been mentioned, but Hurricane Ridge currently requires ALL cars to carry a set of chains, AWD or not. It goes on to recommend cables over chains for AWD vehicles with lower clearance.
http://www.nps.gov/olym/parknews/winter-schedule-set-for-hurricane-ridge.htm
Also, to clarify about driving up the passes….”Washington Administrative Code (WAC) 204-24-050, which states that, for vehicles under 10,000 gross vehicle weight:
When “chains required” signs are posted, all-wheel drive vehicles shall be exempt from the chain requirement when all wheels are in gear and are
equipped with approved traction devices as specified in WAC 204-24-020
provided that tire chains for at least one set of drive tires are carried in the vehicle.”
February 20th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
I have an MY’2008 Outback Diesel (yes! I live in Romania-Europe) and in my Owner book is written to don’t put chain in any circumstances on my rear wheels. Only on the front ones.
I’m convinced that probably there are very few chances to need chains on my Subaru but I would like to know (for my information) why the book says that? What happens if I put chains on rear axle. And another question: what kind of diff do I have on my rear axle? Open or LSD? The dealers here have not the same opinion. The car has VDC system. Thank a lot and congrats for the site.
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:21 am
You haven’t addressed the two people with ’09s that mentioned the manual says they can’t use chains. A Subaru that can’t even use chains? What’s the deal?
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:45 am
Jim,
I’m sorry but what can I say? I didn’t design it and the 09 Forester isn’t the first Subaru to have a no chain suggestion.
You really shouldnt chain up your late model AWD Subaru anyways unless there is no other choice, the best way to go is studless snow tires.
My advice is always the same, studless snow tires and a set of chains in the cargo area for an emergency.
Justin
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:00 am
Gabriel,
Wow thats great, all the way from Romania! I am jealous you have a Diesel Subaru as we won’t see that here for a while yet.
There isn’t enough clearance on the newer Subaru’s for chains on the rear, if the suspension compresses the chains will hit, could come loose, cut the brake hose and or abs (anti lock brake) sensor wire as well.
As far as what I have understood the Diesel spec Outback has an open front differential and an LSD in the rear.
Justin
February 22nd, 2009 at 10:24 am
Thanks Justin. You’re doing a great job here. I can assure you that boxer diesel is just great. And it sounds like a boxer! Hope you have it very soon in USA too.
May 28th, 2009 at 4:52 am
For studless snow tires for your Subaru, I recommend the Toyo Observe/Garit. They have walnut shells (microbits)imbedded thru the full depth of the tread. They work superbly in all conditions except for for compacted/rutted ice with a layer of rain on top… in which case it’s safest to chain up, even with studs. Plus you can run them past the April 1st studded deadline. (Snoqualmie Pass commuter).
June 30th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
I drive a 1992 Legacy L wagon. Awesome car in all weather conditions. I live in the foothills of the Cascades and work and play in the mountains.
I use studs on all 4 and carry chains for legal purposes. Chains are still new in the package, never used.
The important thing to remember about driving in hazardous conditions is to reduce your speed and if possible stay in a higher gear to control wheel spin.
If you only drive in the snow when it snows at home or when you travel for the holidays, get stud-less snow tires on a cheap set of wheels that you don’t mind get corroded or pitted. Keep your summer/ or warmer months set on your nicer wheels and protect your investments. This allows you to swap tires yourself at your own leisure, or some tire stores will do this for free as well with out the expense of buying wheels.
Hope that helps people.
October 15th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
I have just brought over a 2006 Tribeca to Finland. I will be purchasing winter tires, as required by law. I have been told that I should get them in a narrower size than the factory equipment that came with the vehicle. Does that make sense?
October 18th, 2009 at 4:29 am
I have an 05 impreza rs and would like to know if it is a good idea to put chains/cables on? Also, by any chance would you happen to know if in california i can get by chain checks with all seasons and the awd? or will they make me throw on chains/cables?
October 20th, 2009 at 2:27 am
Bruce,
It is a popular thing to reduce the width of the tire for winter driving, as a narrow tire may give better traction in snow, same vehicle weight distributed over a smaller footprint may help some with traction in the Snow.
Justin
October 25th, 2009 at 11:07 pm
One of the overlooked things with the viscous differentials like my 03 WRX wagon has is that even minor differences in tire diameter and weight over time can damage the differential. SOA(Subaru of America) states that the maximum allowable difference in circumference (not diameter) of the tires must be less than 3/32nds of 1 inch or differential damage can occur. The same goes for differences in the weight of the tires and wheels. Running the temporary spare for more than a dozen miles or so at anything above residential speeds can damage the differentials, as can running mismatched wheels or one tire of a different brand etc. i won’t even run any type of flat repair/sealant product in my tires any longer than it takes to get to the tire dealer. As Justin pointed out speeds need to be kept to an absolute minimum when using chains, and I wouldn’t recommend running them for any longer than it takes for you to get unstuck or to a safe spot to wait it out. the fact that they throw the balance of the tire/wheel package off is not something the diffs will tolerate mile after mile. You may want to look at a ‘approved chain alternative” like SnoClaws, Auto Socks, Spike-Spiders, Snow Boots, etc as these lighter weight products reduce the chance of damage due to extra weight or tire/fender clearance issues.
October 29th, 2009 at 12:41 am
If the differential can be damaged by different wheel speeds and differences in pressure can can cause weight distribution issues, can drastic inflation pressure differences wreck the differential as well?
October 30th, 2009 at 12:26 am
Hi Justine,
I saw your web site now and it is very helpful.
I bought a 05 Legacy with 205 55 R 16 tires. it says in the manual dont use chains. I will be travelling to ski resort and I live in LA so it iis too hot to buy snow tires here:) What can I do. Can I use chains on front wheels or isnt there enough clearance. I found some chains saying that for low clearance cars. What about these?
November 7th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
Berk,
Chains should really only be used at very slow speeds, and in extreme situations.
There just isn’t a easy answer or an inexpensive one.
If it was me and this is a trip I would be taking often I would buy a set of studless snow tires on a extra set of rims.
Justin
November 8th, 2009 at 2:25 am
Justin,
Thanks for your answer. I know that snow tires are the best, I was using them in my home country (Turkey) for a fwd and never had problems on snow. But as I said LA is too warm to use snow tires even in winter. I bought a new set of Goodyear Tripletread which are said to be very good on snow. I will also be carrying a set of cable cahins in my trunk.
November 9th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
Nice job you are doing, here!
I own a 09 Forester. I am mainly concerned going downhill with snow. The car is heavy. Should I use snow chains for snowy mountains roads? Only front? The 7 mm chains are appropriate (I belive I have 210/65/16 tires) or the 12 mm are preferred? Thank you.
November 21st, 2009 at 12:25 am
Hello~!
Do you have any experience with the Thule summit K series tire chains on Subarus?
I have an 03 Baja that I use to commute from BC to Calif. and need to get over the passes in winter without having to worry about being stopped at chain control stations!
I came across these new designs on another site and thought that they might be a solution to the whole clearance issue.
Any comments?
November 21st, 2009 at 6:11 pm
Cauck37,
We are currently looking into a few different chain options.
But as of yet, I really cant comment on if there is a real solution to the newer Model Subaru chain issue.
Justin
November 21st, 2009 at 8:45 pm
HI Justin,
Hate to belabor the chain issue. Am considering purchasing a 2010 Forester. I bought a set of Auto-trac self-adjusting chains for my Honda Civic and used them last year. They seem to snug up and stay tight. Since the highway department can decide at any time to require chaining up an AWD vehicle, is there any way or procedure to use to see if this type of chain doesn’t cause a clearance problem. I am assuming that clearance issues are why Suburu says in their manual that chains cannot be used. By the way I live in southern california and am planning a winter driving trip to Bend, Oregon. Thanks for your website
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:59 pm
hey, i was thinking about getting
Thule CS-10 chains for my 2005 OUtback Sport (Impreza Outback) http://www.autoanything.com/driving-accessories/65A4340A0A0.aspx
will these clear?
November 23rd, 2009 at 12:33 am
Great website, it has taken me forever to get some of the questions answered regarding the two Subaru’s my wife and I own. I too am currently having trouble figureing out what chains to get for this winter, we have never needed them but will be making a lot of trips through Idaho, Montana, and utah this winter. We will be using the Tribeca 09 and if anybody has info on the chains that work I would more than appricate the feedback. Looked at the studless tires but would rather not spend the money since I have never needed traction devices, just want to make sure I dont get a ticket if forced to have traction devices. Again great website with lots of informative answers. Thanks
November 25th, 2009 at 4:16 am
Mike,
Yes clearance is one of the issues, I cant really comment on the chains your are calling out in your question, I am just not familiar with that brand. I am currently trying out 4 different chains on an 06, 08 and 09 model Subaru and hope to provide info over the month of December.
Thats just the best I can do right now
Justin
November 25th, 2009 at 4:24 am
TJ,
I would look at the DOT websites for the areas you are traveling.
I understand the not wanting to spend the money on traction tires, But I have to tell you based on what I have been seeing in the industry for the last few years, unless someone comes up with a affordable solution for the tight tolerances in the newer cars I am not sure how its avoidable.
I am not aware of any chain options for the Tribeca as of right now. But stay tuned.
Justin
December 9th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
Hi Justin, Thanks for all the useful information. I was hoping you could help me find the best studless snow/winter tire for my Subie, I have an 08 Outback Limtied w/VDC and have the stock Bridgestone P225/55 R17 tires now. I wanted to get some decent snow tires for the winter and after reading your comments i don’t think I should go for the Studs Do you have any Suggestions or know where I can find test results or ratings for the Best tires on the market? Any help is Greatly Appreciated, Thank you
December 11th, 2009 at 3:26 am
Great web site! Got here to look for info about using chains on my 01 Forester. Do you have any recommendation on snow tires (I have now Firestone Winterforce tires).
Thanks,
Katt
December 12th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
Hi, we have a 2005 Forester XT. We live in Florida, but have a place in the mountains that sometimes gets snowy and icy. We would like a set of chains in case of an emergency. Can we purchase chains for this car and if so, what kind. Thank you, Debbie
December 12th, 2009 at 11:48 pm
Hello Chris,
There are so many different tires out there, I would encourage you to try looking at the tire rack for the best user reviewed tires and take it from there.
I like the Bridgestone winter tires, but only the winter tires; I also like the Michelin and Continentals.
Justin
December 12th, 2009 at 11:54 pm
Hello Katt,
There are many choices for chains for the 2001 Forester.
With the tires you already have, you probably won’t need them, so a good set to have in your cargo area would the easiest to obtain and install it sounds like, maybe look into the security chains, one of the more common brands but also found under other names as well.
Justin
December 12th, 2009 at 11:57 pm
Hello Debbie,
Same advice as for Katt.
Justin
December 15th, 2009 at 11:18 pm
Great information!
I have a 2007 Tribeca and live on top of a hill with an unpaved drive way that does not get plowed when it snows. I use Spike Spiders when it is really bad, but not to deep. Three times now I have gotten 3/4 of the way up & got stuck. I put on my spiders & still couldn’t get traction. My husband came in his chained up truck & helped me the rest of the way up.
Do I need to turn off the anti skid (I think that’s what they call it) feature?
Is there a tire you would recommend for me to switch to in the winter?
I may stay home for the rest of the winter!
thanks
a
December 18th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
Thank you so much for this informative blog. I’m Canadian, and all too familiar with snow tires. But in Northern CA it’s a different issue now. I am looking at purchasing an 07 Impreza WRX to replace my trusty 00 Honda Civic - the awd thing…we go to the mountains in the winter and chains are a must with our current car. I understand that we will have to carry chains regardless. I will be breaking down and purchasing a set of winter tires on rims to run from Christmas to end of ski season. I will be looking at Blizzaks. Your chain info is invaluable. I will keep it in mind. Thanks again for all this info!
December 20th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
I have a question I do a lot od hunting on my own land and I have a dirt road in NW PA where it just can become trecourous and covered in ice and snow if we get hit hard. I know that the chains are required in some states but dont do much good on ice. I was on another website however and saw that they sell strap on studs are they compatable with my 05 forester? I mean this road I am driving down can be more like an off roading road when the weather is bad its not pathed and is dirt, ice, and snow. What do you think would this product be benifical for me? I have great tires on the forester now. http://www.sportsimportsltd.com/tire-ice-grabber-straps.html
December 21st, 2009 at 3:53 am
Justin,
Very impressed with your comments regarding the chains and studless tires. We appreciate your advice. Thank you.
KC
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:51 am
Anne
Dont Stay home! Your Tribeca was made for that kind of weather.
On the Tribeca, the Michelin has worked out well.
I think with a good set of Studless tires, and some practice you will have a lot of confidence.
Justin
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:59 am
Irish Wood Chuck,
I don’t have any specific Information on the product on the page in the link, I ill admit, my gut tells me they will probably not hold up very well, but in a pinch something is better than nothing, and there is no cost to not becoming stranded in the cold.
I would love it if you tried them and let us know what you thought, there are just to many products to keep track of.
Justin
December 29th, 2009 at 5:48 am
Hi Justin,
I am leaving for a two week trip through Utah Idaho and Wyoming at the beginning of January. I expect to be encountering a lot of snow and ice on the trip. I live in the California bay area where it never snows and cant decide whether it is worth it to buy winter tires for the trip. Can I keep the snow tires on during the winter and use them in the bay area or would the warmer weather wear out the tires too quickly?
Thanks
December 31st, 2009 at 8:17 pm
Thank you Justin for this site and the clarification of my issues as to clearance and which axle to chain up. A few weeks ago, due to California’s statewide extreme ice and snowfield I put on chains for only the 2nd time in 26 years of owning a Subaru with M/S tires. I chose to put them on my 2002 WRX wagon front axle because it had more clearance and it made sense to me for better skid control for traveling 2 miles down hill from my home, at a 3,000 foot elevation. My “color coded easy on” regular link chains from Les Schwab installed easily, the self-adjusting tighteners behaved perfectly, and nothing came loose or caused any apparent damage, even at 25 mph. Happy New Year!
January 9th, 2010 at 1:15 am
Regarding snow chains if required the Manual for the 2009 forester says NEVER put chains on the rear tires only on the front tire or it could cause damage the train
again READ YOUR MANUALS!!!!
January 14th, 2010 at 6:08 am
Hi Justin,
Thanks for taking the time to answer all of these questions! In comment #62 you mentioned that you were testing chains back in December. Curious what you learned… i have a 2006 outback and need to pick up a set of chains soon.
Thanks!!
max
January 14th, 2010 at 6:56 am
Hi Max,
We have had some real week snow this year, I have tested 2 sets on my 06 GT, and 02 WRX. I don’t have any thing nice to say as of yet, but have not had as much time to devote to it as I had hoped. Its tough when you have to go look for snow.
I tore of a piece of wheel well trim on my GT with brand X.
If we get some good mountain snow and I can go local and test on a Sunday soon I will post results.
There is that real expensive set that Thule makes which I believe is an option, and is one of the sets I would like to test if they would only send me a set for free, I would have already done it already.
Justin
January 17th, 2010 at 10:53 pm
Justin,
Great comments and advice. I have a 2010 2.5i Limited Outback. Will the Super Z6 cable chain made by SCC work for this car?
They are made for limited clearance:
Security Chain Company Super Z6, SZ139
Thanks!
January 27th, 2010 at 4:25 pm
Hello,All,
Very glad to find this site. The information here is very valuable. My Subaru is a 2002 Legacy wagon and I just love it. I live in Toronto Canada but I do a lot of driving a few hours North and East of the City where Winter road conditions are always a challenge and this car has never ever let me down.
I hope my question hasn’t been repeated too often. Recently one of my Hakkapeliita winter tires (rear) was damaged beyond repair and I couldn’t replace it as it’s no longer available. Due to budget considerations, I purchased only
two of the TOYO G2s for the rear and am still using two “Hakkas” on the front. For the sake of my car’s drive system, do I need to replace the front tires with two more TOYOs right away or can I drive it this way through the Winter and get the matching front tires next Fall? Thanks for your patience, everyone. I welcome your comments.
January 28th, 2010 at 7:46 pm
Jocelyn,
I really have not tried any chains on a 2010 Outback as of yet.
I will comment that those are one of the sets I have been trying to demo this year, but we have had such limited snowfall this year its just difficult to get it all done.
Justin
January 28th, 2010 at 11:24 pm
Carlotta
I really don’t like the idea of different tread patterns and depths on a Subaru.
If the tires are close in tread design and within 2/32 of tread depth difference from the front to the rear I would say it’s a calculated gamble if they are not its a much larger gamble you wont damage the AWD system.
Justin
January 30th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
Just got a 2009 Forrester. Have a house in the Catskills in New York State with a very steep driveway (very steep). Also have a Audi A4 and had a Jeep Grand Cherokee. the Audi (With Blizzak WS60 snow tires) and the Jeep did pretty well on the driveway.
The Forrester coming up the drive with about 3 or a little more fresh snow, slipped and spun but made it. I shifted it into 1st gear before going up. Was the 1st gear the right ting to do or any advice on another approach?
February 10th, 2010 at 8:37 pm
Hi,
I live in Los Angeles and I’m the owner of a 2006 STI. I would love to go up the mountains in Big Bear but I dont have winter/snow tires. I currently have Nitto Neogen tires (all season tires). I’ve read that chains are not recommended for the STI for various reasons. Am I good to go up the mountains in the tires that I currently have? Or do I need winter tires? Also, If I do need winter tires wont the 2 hour drive up to Big Bear mess them up?
February 11th, 2010 at 6:42 pm
Hi Lyle,
The first gear thing was probably not the best way to go as it kind of creates a increased wheel torque situation, I would first lower the tire pressure down to 24 psi the next time, and try that.
Justin
February 11th, 2010 at 7:10 pm
Hi Leo,
If it was me I would get a set of Stud less snow and Ice tires on a different set of rims.
The 2 hour drive will not mess up stud-less snow tires, that is part of the reason they are such a good idea.
Hope that helps
Justin
February 13th, 2010 at 3:18 am
Thanks Justin this does help alot. I had not thought about that. Thanks again!
-Leo
March 1st, 2010 at 11:30 pm
Hi, just found this string and am eager to get some info.
I have a new 2010 Impreza Premium 5 door that is about a month old. We are planning a trip to the snow, and see the owners manual says NO to chains on the Impreza due to clearance issues. I live in CA and CA-DOT has certain chain requirements. One of which says you have to use chains even if your manufacturer says you shouldn’t - you can use cables or Spike’s spider(?).
My main question is what is the best way to equip myself for the snow and stay compliant with both Subaru and DOT?
Any info is appreciated. We are hoping to take the Buarsu up to the snow instead of my Tacoma (which has clearance for chains/cables), but want to be safe compliant.
Thanks for any assistance.
March 25th, 2010 at 4:53 pm
Hi Justin (or anyone),
Any advice for mud conditions?
I’m in New Mexico…it’s a clay based mud. I’ve got a 2001 Subaru Outback wagon with Yokohama geolander A/T-S 215/50R16 (went smaller at advice of mechanic).
The problem I’m having is the back end sliding more than i think it should on the dirt/rock road I live on(when muddy). It helped a bit by placing weights in the back of the car. I did have my mechanic check that the AWD was working and he said it was.
Also, I have noticed significantly more tread wear on the rear tires after a year and a half.
Any advice on tires or the situation?
July 25th, 2010 at 9:35 pm
Justin,
I’m really glad to have found your page.
My family and I just relecated from Florida to the Seattle area. I am now in the process of shopping around for a sedan-type vehicle for my wife. In addition, we’d like to be able to take this vehicle to the mountains during winter and enjoy the recreational opportunities here in the Northwest.
Being from Florida, I’m not an expert in winter driving, though I do have some experience, and I have a lot of questions.
I’ve been trying to digest through the information out there and before I buy a car, I just want to make sure my family is safe during winter.
I am looking at Subaru Imprezas because of AWD but I was discouraged by the fact that the owner’s manual states not to put chains on the tires.
Is the AWD capability with all-season tires enough for most situations? What about using cables instead of chains?
I was also wondering about snow tires. I was reading that one shouldn’t drive winter tires above 50mph. So what is the answer for say, a road trip where we go on the interstate for a while? Do we have to change tires when we’re getting ready to go up in the mountains? Are winter tires safe for interstate driving?
Thanks for your patience with us Florida transplants. Any info you may give us will be greatly appreciated.
Diego